tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post6546539997076144159..comments2024-02-10T10:52:58.614-05:00Comments on THE DIG: WALKING DEAD, Just Stop the Stupidcinemarchaeologisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13507603255666191405noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-65850103776030873202015-10-21T18:49:40.065-04:002015-10-21T18:49:40.065-04:00I disagree on the matter of art. Both TWD and ZN a...I disagree on the matter of art. Both TWD and ZN are art. It's just that TWD is <i>bad</i> art made by unbearably pretentious people. ZN is great show made by people who create art but are humble and without any pretension on that point.cinemarchaeologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507603255666191405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-77489069924155414332015-10-20T14:57:47.413-04:002015-10-20T14:57:47.413-04:00^^ It was. The lookout sprayed a few bullets at h...^^ It was. The lookout sprayed a few bullets at him and then he lost control after being shot.Jacobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-41219439422879806892015-10-20T14:56:59.544-04:002015-10-20T14:56:59.544-04:00I might go back to find some early TTD episodes or...I might go back to find some early TTD episodes or clips. It's a boring echo chamber now.<br />I usually only watch about 15 minutes of it before getting bored. I don't remember when I first started watching the aftershow. Probably season four or so? Maybe last part of season three.Jacobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-35358701040628753752015-10-20T14:49:29.067-04:002015-10-20T14:49:29.067-04:00Z Nation doesn't THINK it's good. That...Z Nation doesn't THINK it's good. That's the difference. Both are silly zombie stories. One knows it's a silly zombie story. One thinks it is a work of art. You do understand what pretentious means, right?<br /><br />Autistic... really? I bet I haven't had Mountain Dew for over a decade. Doritos not quite as long. My fingers are also not made out of sausage. I think Mr. Hook is right. Projection Junction.Jacobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-18415030816974442852015-10-20T12:33:24.875-04:002015-10-20T12:33:24.875-04:00Enid's "backstory"--really just some...Enid's "backstory"--really just some filler moments--doesn't add anything. Neither does the business between Ron and his mother. We had already established all of that in his interactions with Rick in the previous episodes and, because repetition is the soul of TWD, his mother had also explained it to Rick then as well. The business with the woman trying to be a doctor could have been explained on the spot when the wounded woman came in. Or, better yet, just excise that entire plotline, which, like all the other stuff already covered, adds <i>nothing</i> to the show. Carol's conversation with the housewives should have opened the show, followed by her watching her neighbor be killed--cut to the opening credit sequence.cinemarchaeologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507603255666191405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-23736014462673999582015-10-20T12:17:42.772-04:002015-10-20T12:17:42.772-04:00Sounds like someone over here is projecting. It&#...Sounds like someone over here is projecting. It's not hard to change your diet, man. Just think, you could end up like Kevin Smith (one of Talking Dead's favorite guests if you don't know who that is) that should be motivation enough to quit the Dew.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02243551588396271395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-3677280024852559912015-10-20T05:30:13.911-04:002015-10-20T05:30:13.911-04:00To be clear: the plan is still ridiculous, but the...To be clear: the plan is still ridiculous, but them not being worried is not a plot holeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-27121954339214444712015-10-20T05:23:52.960-04:002015-10-20T05:23:52.960-04:00They were going on about their daily routine becau...They were going on about their daily routine because it was not supposed to happen that day, they had to execute the plan earlier than expected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-82799697174138158352015-10-20T03:27:41.893-04:002015-10-20T03:27:41.893-04:00Maybe you should stop the stupid. Ever think of th...Maybe you should stop the stupid. Ever think of that?<br /><br />The 15 minutes is a very well setup. We got a little backstory of the girl, who likes to go outside on season 5 and this explains her survival tendency (and this is 6 minutes of some survival scenes with the turtle included). And some Ron character that be an enemy to Rick with Jesse's taking Rick's side. Then we got Carol bonding with the girls and communicating with them like a normal housewives, before turning everything to full-on killing massacre. Maybe if a "critic" or "filmmaker" (<- yes with "") like you could understand more of the meaning of character development and growth rather than calling it a "soap" or "filler". If you really are a "filmmaker", your movie quality would be the same as IMDB's top 5 lowest movie ranking.<br /><br />Calling it a pointless mush for a great development and characterization in the episode making me stop reading your shit. Have a good day "filmmaker" or "critic" wannabe.Leonardo Marcellino|林峰正https://www.blogger.com/profile/14369930142562939545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-10269475470074108312015-10-19T22:42:23.583-04:002015-10-19T22:42:23.583-04:00Hilarious ironic that you guys are calling The Wal...Hilarious ironic that you guys are calling The Walking Dead pretentious, I bet you think shit like Z Nation is good. Bet it makes you feel great sitting on your ass gulping down Mountain Dew and Doritos while your greasy sausage fingers have a seizure on the keyboard about how "horrible" The Walking Dead is because you have unchecked inferiority issues. Stay autistic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-69779551611753257922015-10-19T18:16:52.436-04:002015-10-19T18:16:52.436-04:00Hmm, I could be wrong but wasn't it James Gunn...Hmm, I could be wrong but wasn't it James Gunn that openly criticized the TWD on Talking Dead? That could be who you're talking about. I do know a few guests were trashing the show early on.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02243551588396271395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-47133650010708567552015-10-19T18:09:01.050-04:002015-10-19T18:09:01.050-04:00Fro the most part. To his credit, there have been ...Fro the most part. To his credit, there have been a few times he's caught the writers off guard. He quickly goes back to fanyboy Hardwick though. I do remember one time that Gale Hurd was caught off guard by a criticism by one guest (I can't remember the dude's name) and she quickly went if the defensively about a particularly scene. It was the third or fourth Talking Dead episode of Season Four. Day of the Dead Fanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01096631809713652466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-13607237031158919732015-10-19T17:54:44.089-04:002015-10-19T17:54:44.089-04:00Jacob,
That's probably also why they got Hard...Jacob,<br /><br />That's probably also why they got Hardwick to host the show as he's nothing but a kiss-ass.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02243551588396271395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-43980470692620500862015-10-19T17:21:06.609-04:002015-10-19T17:21:06.609-04:00I just assumed it was a wolf member that wanted to...I just assumed it was a wolf member that wanted to hit the tower to take out the sniper, but died in the process. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-36423286778639453782015-10-19T17:19:55.583-04:002015-10-19T17:19:55.583-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Day of the Dead Fanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01096631809713652466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-82901058628918383282015-10-19T17:16:58.453-04:002015-10-19T17:16:58.453-04:00That lady actually will be on the next TD episode ...That lady actually will be on the next TD episode if your wondering!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-7812562622558008002015-10-19T16:59:06.376-04:002015-10-19T16:59:06.376-04:00James,
I cannot remember them having an actor on T...James,<br />I cannot remember them having an actor on The Talking Dead that wasn't a pretentious hag. Even Carter who was on last week... that dude that was on screen for about 95 seconds total was acting like he really had the flesh out the character or something tough. All he needed to do was put on his red t-shirt and remember six lines. <br /><br />Lori's actress (Sarah Callies or whatever her name is) was similar to McBride. Tyrese was similarly freaking goofy talking about it. About the only one that seemed to have fun with it that I can remember is the leader at Terminus (Ethan?) I can't remember his name. That actor seemed to have a good time on TTD. Also Carl (Chandler Riggs) seemed less upity about it all. But the ones who are more laid back aren't really on the show much. TTD is what it is... a shill for TWD. That much is transparent. But that doesn't mean it can't be fun. TTD is not longer a fun aftershow like it seemed to be a few seasons ago. They have even gotten rid of the fun repeat guests. That thick black lady (no clue what he name is), but she's typical rabid TWD fan. She writes down in a diary while she's watching the show... pages of notes. She was entertaining because of how into it she was. It was weird.<br /><br />But she's not even on any more. She was over-the-top to the point of being fun to watch. Now they just have whoever is paying for a seat on the couch so they can't plug their new show or new season's premiere. Boring. It used to be worth watching about 25% of the time, but it hasn't been for at least half a season now.Jacobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-15680711813632739452015-10-19T15:08:39.140-04:002015-10-19T15:08:39.140-04:00That's fucking annoying haha. I remember Lori...That's fucking annoying haha. I remember Lori's actress was also quite pretentious about the show and herself. Why would any of them think such a thing of a show set in the ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE? How much more silly can you get than a premise like that?<br /><br />Do you have any examples of the FTWD cast-members being nonchalant towards the show? I'm in the mood to watch some interviews.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02243551588396271395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-64977402321069453102015-10-19T15:00:40.535-04:002015-10-19T15:00:40.535-04:00If you watch "The Talking Dead" when Gim...If you watch "The Talking Dead" when Gimple or Nicotero are on... or any of the actors (particularly Melissa McBride) you'll understand that pretentious is an understatement. They really do believe they are creating some sort of high art or something... it's bizarre. I wonder if that's why some of the actors aren't really allowed on the show. I got the impression while watching the aftershow for Fear the Walking Dead that the actors don't really feel the same way. They seemed a little more... real... about what kind of hack show they're involved in. They are constantly talking about the depth of certain things and talking about backstory that doesn't exist "in world" but is only talked about on the aftershow. Enid was on last night and she was talking about "I think this" and "I think that" in regards to why Enid is the way she is... Why can't they just show us that. And no... showing her eat a tortoise doesn't do that. Although that was a nice attempt and bringing survival into it. When it was really just another way for them to throw JSS up on the screen again. Hit me with the JSS bat again please, Mr. Gimple. And again. And again. And again. And again.<br /><br />Blah.Jacobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-37897932932421589082015-10-19T14:46:10.119-04:002015-10-19T14:46:10.119-04:00They needed to do something to further destroy Ric...They needed to do something to further destroy Rick, so they set his plan up to fail. They needed to finish wrecking Morgan's character... so they sent him back first to complete his "pussification". The horn was a device... what was the truck doing anyway? Was it to haul stuff away... I could buy that. If so, why is he rolling in at a million miles an hour during the early stages of the fighting? It certainly didn't seem like a walker until the guy shot him. Was the truck full of walkers and was going to be a "Trojan Horse" type of deal? We saw them with tractor trailers loaded up with walkers before... so maybe that was the plan. Either way the Wolves inside didn't seem to be looking for it at any point... which means it was probably contrived solely as a device to make the walkers turn so they can spend most of the season flipping between the groups in ASZ, Rick/Michonne, and Daryl/Abraham/Sasha without actually moving the story forward more than at a snail's pace. If you want to stretch a story you either tell it slowly or you tell it three times. Last season it was slowly this season it looks like they're going for the telling it three times approach.Jacobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-55183017606094571402015-10-19T14:18:00.237-04:002015-10-19T14:18:00.237-04:00So let me get this straight.. The horn was an acci...So let me get this straight.. The horn was an accident after an obvious idiot ran into the wall and got stuck on the horn-button? Or was that a plan by the wolves? put a zombie in the truck, ram it into the wall so it honks the horn?(absurdly stupid but this show never disappoints in that department).<br /><br />So these maniacs whom last year directed zombies around and had a lot of them stuck away aren't on purpose responsible for the herd that'll crash into the safe-zone? It's just an absurd coincidence?<br /><br />Help me out here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-59195216450553046252015-10-19T14:03:37.289-04:002015-10-19T14:03:37.289-04:00Good catch. I don't think it gets to the full ...Good catch. I don't think it gets to the full picture--I've always believed a lot of cynicism lurked behind TWD pretentiousness--but yeah, it points in the right direction.cinemarchaeologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507603255666191405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-4315850893632686252015-10-19T13:58:52.289-04:002015-10-19T13:58:52.289-04:00http://daddywarpig.com/2013/02/13/cinematic-indulg...http://daddywarpig.com/2013/02/13/cinematic-indulgences-whats-wrong-with-the-walking-dead/ This blog post is spot on with how I feel about TWD.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02243551588396271395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-34539118110938910032015-10-19T13:29:35.290-04:002015-10-19T13:29:35.290-04:00"the amount of paradigm shifts some of these ..."the amount of paradigm shifts some of these characters go through with zero explanation/backstory is show breaking, honestly." It's the soap melodrama model at work. I've been griping about it since my first article on this series, way back in season 2. People watch a prime-time drama in the expectation of seeing a character drama, not a daytime soap where "characters" shed their personalities like a snake its skin and constantly don new and entirely different ones.cinemarchaeologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507603255666191405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-585323794423400780.post-62666251714089301682015-10-19T13:27:15.562-04:002015-10-19T13:27:15.562-04:00I think ZN does great without TWD's budget--it...I think ZN does great without TWD's budget--it's by far the better show, even with its most recent ep--but if its creators had that kind of money, it would certainly make life easier on them.cinemarchaeologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13507603255666191405noreply@blogger.com